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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 27, 2007 1:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JG/FZ: Comparison Shopping

Zappa hated the drug lifestyles of virtually ALL his contemporaries, yet revelled in peoples' assumptions that he and the Mothers MUST have been blitzed out of their minds by reason of the kind of stuff they churned out on albums like "Freak Out"...while they may have made what sounded like hippie 60's trippy music Zappa often as not poked fun at the hippies: "Free is when you don't have to pay for nothing or do nothing, I want to be free (free as the wind!)...." "....Gee, my hair's getting good in the back...."

Jerry and Co. liked the drugs, but were not fans of the hippies, either (see Bob's rant against the "let us in free" Canadian hippies in Festival Express)...and couldn't wait to move out of SF when the Haight became overrun by late '67.

I have to believe FZ respected Jerry's guitar prowess (and especially must have known of his bluegrass roots and proficiency when Jerry was arriving on the SF scene in '64-'65)...but kept his distance mainly b/c of the DeadHeads.

('course FZ also had a short fuse w/his own fans...often telling them to sit down and shut up when they interrupted his narratives on stage).

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Mar 27, 2007 2:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JG/FZ: Comparison Shopping

You’re right, Zappa never tolerated drug use amongst the band members...and for good reason…for the most part his charts ranged from extremely difficult to near impossible

but surely he must have cut some slack for the lunatic vocalists Fluorescent Leech and Eddie (?)

“Not Just Another Band From LA”

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 27, 2007 3:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JG/FZ: Comparison Shopping

I heard some of his band members used to to try to sneak hits off a joint or do shots while FZ wasn't looking...like teenagers trying to raid their parents' liquor cabinets before they got home...don't know if any of that is actually true or not, but FZ WAS notoriously anti-substance, especially as you note, among his own band members.

he was positively James Brown-like in demanding perfection from them, and yep, it was NOT easy given his conplicated orchestral arrangements. For sure, one of the biggest differences between FZ and the Dead (Jerry and the boys not exactly known for their polished performances!)

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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 27, 2007 4:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JG/FZ: Comparison Shopping

They played Southern Illinois University when I saw them on the Tinseltown Rebellion tour. A friend of mine ran into Ray White and Ike Willis at a party after the show. They both took a few hits off a joint, saying, "Don't be tellin' Frank about this. He'll shit!"